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Why Your Electricity Bill Is Exploding, And Why Maxwell House Got Evicted

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In this Real Estate Rundown, Zach and Pat unpack two big stories with real-world impact:

  1. Why your electric bill is about to spike. It’s not just the weather — rising fuel costs, grid strain, and utility hikes are all in play. We break down how this affects homeowners, renters, and the housing market at large. Link

  2. Maxwell House becomes Maxwell Apartment? The legacy coffee brand is trading its suburban name for something a little more urban. Is this a brand pivot, a cultural signal, or just a PR stunt? We’ve got takes. Link

Energy costs and branding trends, both tied to how (and where) we live. Let’s get into it.

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SPEAKER_01:

What's going on, everyone? Welcome to season two of the Rent Tish Podcast. I'm Zach and I'm here with my co-host Patrick.

SPEAKER_00:

We're two rookies chasing the dream of real estate investing. In this podcast, we'll talk about property management, wild stories, and everything in between. We don't know it all yet.

SPEAKER_01:

But that's the point. We're learning as we go, just like you. So we'll bring in the experts to educate and inform us and we'll figure it out together. So let's laugh, learn, and dive into real estate side by side. Patrick, how are you on this fine Thursday? So ready to do this podcast. Energy level high. Super high. Yeah? I'm excited. Sounds like a lie. If I had a if I had a lie detector hooked up to you right now, I think that you would fail. You you are I I no, I would pass. And you would fail. What are you drinking there? Is that well, we were having a conversation earlier about the ginseng, but apparently it can mean coffee and tea.

SPEAKER_00:

So yeah, it's a ginseng delight espresso, which what that means, I'm not, I really have no idea. But um it really just tasted like coffee, if I'm being completely honest.

SPEAKER_01:

But well, when you were brewing it, I was like, I was like porky pig whenever he smells a pie in the window or whatever, like fluttering over to the window in a Looney Tunes.

SPEAKER_02:

I was like, that smells good.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I feel like sometimes with like coffee, sometimes they smell really good, and then you drink it. It's like, oh, that that's just coffee.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, interestingly enough, we may be talking about coffee in this very episode. Did you like that foreshadowing?

SPEAKER_00:

That was really that was really good, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

It was good. Tomorrow's Halloween, so getting excited. Today's the office costume dress up.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, speaking of coffee again.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah. So my costume is a pun. I'm a grounds keeper, so I've got like overalls and a cat and a hat and some like work gloves, but I'm carrying a bunch of coffee grounds. And you are much easier to see. What are you?

SPEAKER_00:

I'm well I'm solely for Monsters Inc., but I had multiple people today, like multiple independently, uh say, are you blues clues? Yeah, you kind of do look like blues clues. Yeah, so I have the Monsters Inc. hat though, so I feel like so.

SPEAKER_01:

If you were the blues clues, yeah, blue is his name, right? That's the name of the dog. Yeah. If you were that, then that now would be a perfect time to open like our fan mail that we get into questions at the rentish pod because I could go, We just got a letter. We just got a letter. No one sent it in. And it's like we open the mailbox and it's just like cobwebs. Remember, email the pod, questions at the rentish pod.com. Follow us on social media at the rentish pod. Give us a like and a thumbs up, whatever your podcast platform of choice is. Give us a rating, give us a review, leave us a comment. Smash that subscribe button. Exactly. Smash it, and then uh hit the notification bell to be alerted when new episodes go live, and maybe tell a friend. If you've got a friend that you're like, he's a landlord or a property manager, or maybe he's just really interested in the real estate market, send them a link. Copy that URL, paste that URL, send it their way. I'm sure that they'll enjoy the left the show.

SPEAKER_00:

Dude, I was I was driving the car with my girlfriend, she had aux and she she randomly started playing the newest episode from the Rentish Podcast. Like, turn this off. I don't want to listen to myself.

SPEAKER_01:

Patrick doesn't like the sound of his voice. No. Everyone's good. Everyone write into questions at the rentish pod.com and tell Patrick how much you like the sound of his voice.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Everyone do it. All right. Time to get into the episode. Patrick. So we're we're kind of winging it on this one. We we had time to get a get an episode logged in. So we wanted to come and hang out with the listeners and give everyone a fun show. So we're gonna read through a couple of these articles that were sent over to us by our producers who do a lot of really great research for us, take their time, methodically comb through all these resources, and we're gonna record and talk to you guys about this stuff. But producing me say, do we have an idea for how we want to title this next segment? So is it is it's we've got two, it's like two news stories, right? So is this just like the news episode, news rundown?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, this is the real estate rundown. Uh the first part is gonna be um about electricity, and then the second part will be about coffee. Cool.

SPEAKER_01:

And you might think to yourself, coffee, what the how is that real estate related? I can't wait to find out.

SPEAKER_02:

So my joke.

SPEAKER_01:

All right, I'll just go ahead. How about that? Let's yeah. How's that sound that sounds good to me? So this one, Watts Up with my bill, and that's what Watts spelled W-A-T-T. Is that like a like a Watts like energy joke? Exactly. Yeah. Why your winter electric costs are climbing? So winter's coming, and so are higher energy bills. This year, experts are warning that electricity costs could jump 10 to 20 percent for many Americans, with some households expected to spend nearly$1,000 just to heat their homes through the season. Yeah. From sky-high utility bills to that dreaded moment when you open your December statement. We've all been there. In today's episode of the Renters, we're swapping our own energy bill horror stories, breaking down why costs are rising, and sharing some simple ways renters and homeowners alike can save a little money and sanity this winter. So, personal check-in. How's your how's your bill sitch going on right now?

SPEAKER_00:

I mean, it's it's it's definitely the most expensive October I've ever had. Okay. But usually I feel like October is one one of the lesser months because it's just like I'm able to open up windows and not have heat or AC on the whole time. And it feels really high. I mean, with that said, my girlfriend recently moved in with me, and I feel like the laundry machine's being run every single day. So that might have something to do with it.

SPEAKER_01:

Um learn learning all about sharing uh sharing a living space with a significant other. Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_00:

But yeah, I mean, I I I imagine that is a little bit of it, but like I mean, definitely seeing seeing a much higher bill than I'm used to for this time of year already.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, so I'm I'm less concerned about my heating bill for the winter because I feel like last year our gas bill was like not too bad, and our house is like gas heated. So we'll see what ends up happening there when when things start shaking out. But I will say the energy bills for electric this summer in Cincinnati, absolutely devastating. August for my house, I don't even mind sharing numbers, it was like$350. And then September it dropped down. I think we got it below uh like$240,$230. But then this month I checked it again. It's back up to$330. So it's like it kind of got catch up of like the summer months of running the AC when it was really, really brutally hot here in Cincy. Yeah. That's definitely been felt in the old wallet.

SPEAKER_00:

I have no gas in my house. It's all everything's electric, all the heating and cooling. Okay, well, all of it. So I have a feeling it's just gonna keep going up. Sure. You know, yeah, we'll see.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, electricity demand spikes every winter. This year, natural gas and heating oil prices are contributing to the surge. So, according to U.S. Energy Information Administration, the average household heating cost is expected to rise between five to twenty-one percent, depending on the region. So, homes in the northeast and in the midwest are expected to see the biggest increases. Were the Midwest. So uh we're we expect to see uh a pretty big size booming.

SPEAKER_02:

Dang it. Dang it.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it's I mean it's a good opportunity to like look for cost cutting and savings. Let me read the next couple stats, and then I have a question to ask you about where you keep your your heat and your and everything, because I'm curious about this. So uh the electric grid is under strain in many parts of the US. Extreme weather, aging infrastructure, higher demand, they're all driving up prices. We've got a bunch of simple, reliable ways to save, like unplugging electronics, switching to LED bulbs, layering up, sealing drafty windows with plastic wrap, which I've done before. I don't know if you've ever pulled that move. That's a that's one. Yeah. Or weather strips. Yeah, so I I got a question to ask you. Where do you keep where do you when do you turn on your heat and what temperature do you keep it during the winter?

SPEAKER_00:

So I in the summer it's between 70 and 72. In the winter, it's usually between uh 68 to 71. Last the past couple days we've had it at 69. Okay. Is what we've we've been keeping it at. I know you're like producer muse.

SPEAKER_01:

Before I chime in, where do you keep where do you do what what were my questions? When do you turn on the heat and what temperature do you keep it during the winter?

SPEAKER_03:

Probably like two weeks ago we first turned it on, the heat, and we keep it at uh 63. Right now.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, really? That would never ever fly.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. So the other day when we were talking about this, I thought we we were farther apart, and we were also way farther apart because you were super far.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, so I keep it right now, I think it's at 62, 62 or 63. Yeah, so like you said 54. I would personally keep it at maybe 58, I think, is an appropriate heating level or whatever for like cost saving and stuff like that. But it's like, I don't know, I feel like the low 60s is totally fine for when it's cold out. Yeah, why not? That's yeah, I don't know. Uh, in terms of landlord tenant dynamics, who typically covers the utilities? So, what what you know, has your landlord ever included electricity in the rents? Yeah, all these questions. I'm curious to hear from Mousse as a as a property owner, but I'm also curious to know where you're at currently with your electric bill.

SPEAKER_00:

So, in all cases, I've had to pay for electric, gas, and Wi-Fi, all that stuff. The only things I've ever had to not pay for are water and trash. Yeah. And like sewage, I guess. Pretty common. So there have been instances where I do have to pay those. Sure. Right now, in my last apartment, I did not have to pay those, but yeah, I've never had electric. Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

Producer Mousse, who's our resident homeowner, have you ever included utilities in the cost of rent and what is it like right now with the cost of the with the cost of utilities and how that affects you?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, so as a perk, we we take on the utilities because it's midterm, we just think it's better because people are leaving sooner than staying for a year. I also think it's a good incentive, especially now, because when I look at the other units, Bill, it's like, whoa. Uh so sometimes it does make me think, should I include utilities? But I think it's a good perk right now. You just I just make sure we offset it by charging a normal amount. But I've never had a landlord actually take on utilities, though.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. Yeah, me neither. I'm in the same boat. I mean, water, water and trash have been the only two utilities that I've ever had a landlord take on, but most of the time I'm I'm paying.

SPEAKER_00:

But also, it's just like like let's say the landlord does take them on. In essence, the rent will probably just be higher than it otherwise would be. You know, either way, you're paying for it. It's just the question is, is it a set cost sort of, or is it a fluctuating cost?

SPEAKER_01:

Well, that's that's the thing. And that the there's a lot of budget billing plans and energy assistance programs that people don't know about that don't take advantage of that can like really help out. Like right now, I know that I'd like I'd rather just pay it, get it out of the way. But like I know that our energy provider in Cincinnati, they'll let you split a invoice into multiple installments free of charge with no interest. I don't think they let you like do that all the time, but they're you can you can do it for a few times, I guess, until they stop you. You could say, Oh, I got a$400 utility bill this month, that's too much. I can't afford to pay that right now. I'll split it into six chunks that apply over the next six invoices. So it's like there are plans like that if it helps you out, helps you like kind of manage that out, but you also have to be smart about that. Yeah, manage your finances. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00:

So that's something you have to keep paying everybody.

SPEAKER_01:

Snowball, exactly. But funnier painful personal hacks for cutting the bill. I did want to mention the plastic wrap ones. So you can actually straight up buy these window covers on Amazon. But when I first moved to an apartment in Cincinnati, there's a lot of really old, beautiful buildings in the city, but they are not very well updated sometimes. And windows are a big factor of letting cold air in during the winter, is like windows with a bad seal. Shout out to, you know, getting your contractors, come out, take a look at your windows. That could be a real estate topic, who knows? But for tenants, you can actually go on to like sites like Amazon and order these like window covers. They look like big plastic wraps. It reminds me of like in the, you know, the end scene in the ET where they've got the house all like bubbled. That's exactly what it reminds me of. But you like strip it around the exterior of the window and then it catches the cold air and contains it so that it's not just like spreading out into your house. It's kind of like an insulator. So, and it's like removable too, without like ruining the house. You're just paying like, I don't know, 20 bucks for temporary insulation during the winter. So that's my hack. I don't know if you've got anything like that.

SPEAKER_00:

So, yeah, what I do, and I I didn't know about this until my mom brought me on to it. I pay my bills with Duke Energy as well here in Cincinnati. But you can do like certified energy suppliers that run through Duke, but it's like different energy sources, and they've got like different lists. And I found one with a set rate for the next 48 months that's already like cheaper than what Duke is. And you can obviously pick like you know, fluctuating ones or whatever. I found one that's set cost and it's like some sort of renewable renewable energy. So I'm I'm paying like way less than I would be otherwise. Have you noticed any change in your uh power at your house? Like no, no, no changes. Like now, I did notice a massive when I first when I first used it, I most noticed a massive deduction in like the price that I was paying, like instantly. But like things have just been going up since then. So like you know, I maybe it's just my own energy usage. I'm not sure. I'm not actually sure how it all works.

SPEAKER_01:

It's all part of inflation too. I mean the fact that the cost the rising cost of everything is also increasing, just the rising cost of providing electricity and bill and and utilities. So it's all gonna go.

SPEAKER_00:

It is still like cheaper than like I would be paying otherwise, which is like something I'd highly recommend looking into. Sure. Recommendation from Patrick. Patrick O'Prue. There's a there's a bunch of different ones though, like in and it's probably location dependent.

SPEAKER_01:

Sure. Well, do your research out there, check and see what programs are available for you. But got a couple last-minute stats before we move on to the next article. According to the US Energy Information Administration, average electricity bills are forecast to rise about four percent nationally from November through March to around one dollar. What? That doesn't seem right.$1,130. There you go. I saw the one and stopped reading there. So I messed that part up. They're about to rise to like a national average, I'm guessing, to about$1,130. If I saw a utility bill for$1,130, I'd be uh I'd not be very happy. I don't know what I would do. I'd be very, very depressed. For homes heated with electricity, average heating costs could rise around 8% or more this winter. And they're estimating that it could be about$1,205 as an average for electric heated homes. That seems super high. That is super duper duper high. But you know, I yeah, I I don't know. We'll see. We'll you know, it's gonna be interesting to monitor as we get into the colder times. You know, higher natural gas prices, increased demand for electricity, infrastructure and upkeep costs and weather is all contributing to the driving costs being increased. And there is a difference between homes heated with gas and homes with electric versus propane. There's all sorts of stuff. Some will go up, some will go down. Make sure you do your research and be prepared this winter. So look for affordable ways to save on your utilities. Go the Zach route and just bundle up, bundle up and get cozy and turn that sucker down. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03:

Gosh, you sound like my parents. But I guess before we go on to the next segment, um if you are listening, because we're coming from a Cincinnati, Ohio perspective, right? Send in what your average bill is, uh, questions at therentishpod.com and the state you're in. We just want to, you know, hear from you guys and compare. Listen to him plug in the show.

SPEAKER_01:

Why don't we just make him the host? Fire me. Yeah. You want to fire me?

SPEAKER_03:

No, you're the talent.

SPEAKER_00:

So next up, we have a coffee-related article, which apparently I'm doing now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I think the segment, I like the segment title, What's Brewing Here with Patrick. I do like that. What's Brewing here?

SPEAKER_00:

I feel like this is gonna be a one-off segment because I don't anticipate other coffee-related segments coming up.

SPEAKER_01:

This is a rarity. This is the needle in the haystack. Uh producer, insert coffee pouring sound effect here.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, this segment is about the Maxwell House becoming Maxwell Apartment. It's the first name change in Maxwell House's 133-year history. Wow. Which is crazy. Yeah, this is crazy. I didn't really know what this company was until I asked you.

SPEAKER_01:

Like, yeah, you had to ask for clarification. I thought Maxwell House was one of those like known known brands, like pretty much across the board. And you also didn't know what Folgers was. I drink that high quality gourmet. But you've never even you don't like the fact that you didn't even know what it was.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I don't really buy, I don't really buy coffee. I don't really make coffee at my place. I make tea.

SPEAKER_01:

Really?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and I do coffee in the office or I go out to get coffee, but I've never been much of a wow, that's nuts. I have a Nespresso, uh a Nespresso machine, so if I do, it's just like Nespresso. The Nespresso pots. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Interesting. Yeah, growing up, I mean, like growing up, I lived in a house where my mom drank drip coffee all the time. So there's always like ground coffee in a big tin, usually like Kroger brand. But then in the grocery store aisle, I would encourage you to walk down it one of these days. You can see all of the different pre-packaged cans of coffee. And Maxwell House is the blue ugly one that's in the bottom right because it's typically the most you can get for the cheapest cost. Okay. That isn't the name brand of the store. God. Right. So, like I typically just buy Kroger brand name coffee, like just the generic Kroger coffee, but it's sold in the same tin like a Maxwell House or a Folgers.

SPEAKER_00:

I mean, I'll probably notice it all the time now. Now you will, yeah. Um so essentially what what's happening is they're they're rebranding to Maxwell Apartment, and with it comes a 12-month quote unquote lease offer of coffee, meaning with the bundle, you get coffee over the course of a whole year. Kind of like I see what they're doing here. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So it's a it's a pun. It's what the kids call a pun. Or uh not a pun. How how a play on words? Play on words, something like that.

SPEAKER_00:

A metaphor?

SPEAKER_01:

Metaphor, analogy, hyperbole, hyperbole.

SPEAKER_00:

No, no, no, no, no. Something like that. Simile? Simile. Like high school English is what I'm thinking about. Antonym. Prepositional phrase. Sure. Um no.

SPEAKER_01:

No, it's it's cute. I mean, like, here's the thing. Well, well, keep going with your facts, and I'm gonna give my opinion on it.

SPEAKER_00:

I mean, that was basically it. I mean, they're they'll tell me like the an example is a four 27.5 ounce canisters sold as a year's supply, I guess, over the course of the year or something.

SPEAKER_01:

First off, I gotta say, that is not a year's supply of coffee. Like for me, uh so I uh our household probably goes through one of the that size can of coffee that I brought in today for my Halloween costume. We go through one of those probably every week and a half.

SPEAKER_00:

That is insane.

SPEAKER_01:

A whole drip pot for two people at least once a day, every single day. Maybe I could stretch it to two weeks. If you want to be sleep deprived, then typically I'm having three cups of coffee in the morning before I leave for the office.

SPEAKER_00:

Is that a lot? Uh yeah, we actually brought you here for an intervention. That's a lot.

SPEAKER_01:

The producers are all nodding, telling me that's a lot. Yeah, it's that's three cups is a lot of problems. You have a problem, I think. Oh, I'm hopelessly addicted to caffeine, but so is the rest of the United States. We're all addicted. I think this, I mean, I think that this is absolutely wild. Maxwell House, at least to me, it's a brand. Clearly, it's not hip with the young'ins. Yeah. I mean you classify yourself as a young'in. You classify me as a young'in. You're one of the you're you're you're hip with it. You know the the slang, the Gen Z slang? Yeah. Six, seven, all that.

SPEAKER_00:

I had I had to have some I had to have somebody explain that to me.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

You had to have them explain.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, I think that it's kind of silly. I mean, like big brand name changes like this are always like, it always makes me scratch my head a little bit because I'm like, okay, so Maxwell House, that's an established name, been around for 50 plus years, probably more. Maxwell Apartment, it's like that just doesn't roll off the tongue the same way, but it's also because I feel like I've known that that brand name for my whole life.

SPEAKER_00:

I think it's just a gimmick, honestly. I think remember when iHop became iHob? I forgot about that in a house of burgers. And everyone was talking about it because it's like they actually like legitimately changed their name. Sure. Which is crazy. I like I don't remember another company having done that. I went to iHob to go try one of their like mediocre burgers. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So you're you're telling me that you think that this is more along the lines of like a cracker barrel situation. I think, yeah, I think like Cracker Barrel redoes their logo, makes it all minimalistic and my hyper modern. They change the restaurants to make them look all millennialed, and then they're like, Psych, we're gonna change it back or whatever.

SPEAKER_00:

I mean, I think that was I think that was an actual mistake on their end. I think I think they actually thought that was a good idea and now are playing it off. Now they're playing it off. I think this is a legitimate choice for Maxwell House. Like they're they're changing their brand to getting this whole gimmick. I think it's gonna become Maxwell House again in a year. Sure. Is my guess.

SPEAKER_01:

You just gotta spend the money on the rebranding, the the cost of the marketing, the cost of printing the new labels, the graphic design. Yeah, I mean, but the coffee is still the same coffee. It's probably all just mass-produced grounds coffee from wherever their warehouse is in the United States. But I don't know.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, it sounds like the the brands move here. So nearly a third of Americans now rent rather than owning houses. So they're getting hip with the times.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, like people don't know what houses are anymore.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, right. Like, let's relate to the average um, you know, American or whatever who rents. So yeah, they're they're trying to resonate with the modern consumers' economic realities. To me, I mean I get it.

SPEAKER_01:

You're gonna rent your coffee now? Like what this makes more sense as like an like a new coke or like Pepsi Clear kind of thing than it does to me.

SPEAKER_02:

Like people just don't associate with the coffee because man, they're renters, they're not homeowners.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm imagining uh Don Draper in like a suit pitching this to like a group of executives, like madmen style.

SPEAKER_02:

What if we made this house just a little smaller?

SPEAKER_01:

I I just I don't buy it. I like the value message though. I mean, that the talk about that real quick. You want to read that in your best advertiser voice? Here's their value message. Real coffee.

SPEAKER_00:

This is so stupid. Read it with emotion, read it like you're reading it to a board member or like read it like you're reading a group of money. I'm gonna pretend like I'm owning it. I feel like we're just roasting Maxwell coffee Maxwell apartment coffee right now.

SPEAKER_01:

Maxwell, if you don't want us to roast, you sponsor the pot. Mail questions at rentichpot.com and give us a sponsorship.

SPEAKER_00:

All right. The value message is real coffee for real people making smart choices. What a value message. That's so stupid. That's like just so generic. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01:

If I see if I see a commercial for Maxwell Apartment during the Super Bowl and it says real coffee for real people making smart choices, it's like don't be like Don't be stupid, rent our coffee instead of buying it. It's funny. Yeah, so what about the cultural implications, Patrick?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, all in all, in conclusion, this name change seems seems less of like a company trying to be hip with the times of trying to relate to people not being able to afford homeownership. Sure. And seems more like just a ridiculous gimmick. That's just my personal humble opinion, though.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I mean, I could we could do a whole show about the idea of like name changes and marketing moves. I mean, how many companies have tried to pull ridiculous publicity stunts like this before? I think it's funny. It's definitely an eye-catching headline. I just love that the producers are like, this is kind of real estate related.

SPEAKER_00:

They're like, let's have the rent this guy's talking about it. Well, here's the thing though, it worked because now I didn't really know Maxwell House, and now I know them. And now I will know, like, oh, they're rebranding to Maxwell Apartments, and now it's like, you know, maybe I want to try this coffee now. So actually, props hats off to you, Maxwell Apartments.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, yeah, and you're getting headlines already. Everyone's like, CNBC's talking about it, MSNBC, the AP and Reuters, the Rentish. They're talking about it. It's like if they're talking about it, it's gotta be big news. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00:

And yeah, we make fun of it, but like it objectively worked. So sure.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, cool. Cool. Well, thank you for reading that little article, Patrick, and props to you for powering through. Now you can just go recharge and plug yourself back into the wall out.

SPEAKER_00:

Now I'm gonna go drink some coffee that's not Maxwell Apartments.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, we're gonna drink some stuff, other stuff. Well, thank you guys for listening to another episode of the Rentish Pod. Hopefully it was a fun little treat for you. This was uh really quite the episode, let's just put it that way. Uh, for for all of you listening, thank you again. Email questions at therentish pod.com if you have a topic suggestion, if you have questions for me and Patrick, maybe you're an interested guest and you'd like to be on the podcast, send us a message. Tell your friends who are into real estate and property management about the podcast and share it wherever you can. And we're available on podcast platforms all over. So just find the Rentish Pod, give us a like, give us a thumbs up, give us a five-star review in the comment. We would appreciate you very, very much. Until next time, I've been Zach, that's been Patrick, and we'll see you later. The Rentish Podcast is recorded in Cincinnati, Ohio, hosted by Patrick Giro and me, Zach Rotello. Produced by Mousse Geber Mesquel and Charlene Mulchendani. Edited by Elliot Mongenis. Theme song by me, Zach Rotello.