First-Time Investor Spotlight, Real Estate Riddles & Listener Questions Answered

In episode 13 of The Rent-ish Pod, things get personal as Zach and Patrick welcome a very special guest—producer Mose—to the mic for the first time ever. In this week’s My First Property segment, Mose shares the story of buying his very first home—a duplex that marked his debut as both a homeowner and real estate investor.

Then, in a new game segment we’re calling Term Roulette, Mose flips the script and challenges Zach and Patrick to guess real estate terms—with some questionable confidence and plenty of laughs. 

Finally, all three tackle Listener Questions! 

💬 From first-time buying nerves to real estate trivia and helpful Q&A, this episode has heart, humor, and more Mose than ever before. 

🎧 Tune in now and play along with Term Roulette—you might just beat the hosts. 

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SPEAKER_01: 0:35

What's going on, everybody? I'm Zach, and I'm here with Patrick. What up? We are your hosts for the Rent-ish podcast, a podcast that's kind of about rental properties and hosted by two guys that work in the real estate industry and sort of know what they're talking about. But mostly we don't. Catchphrase gold, man. Yes, Patrick, mostly we don't, which is why you're gonna have fun hearing us talk to experts, learning with us, or just laughing along at how little we know But I'm proud of our growth. I am very proud of our growth. I feel like I have a much better understanding of real estate than I did the first episode, for example. Yeah. PhDs are coming. You know what I mean? Yeah. I think we're only a couple of episodes away. Just a couple. Today, we've got a great episode for you. We're going to be talking about a whole bunch of stuff. We've got properties, some games, some listener questions, maybe a little bit of spice here and there. Okay. You never know. You never know what you're going to get when you come into this Podcast every week. New episode of The Rentist. You're like, what are these nutjobs going to talk about? I don't know. What are they going to talk about? Patrick, how are you doing today? I'm doing well. I'm doing well. Coffeed up, of course. Yeah. But I had a great night's sleep, actually. I don't know if that was... Yeah, you said that you got screwed over by the airline industry the other night and it ended up getting back. Or no, daylight savings. It was more like daylight savings. Yeah, because I was in Arizona and they don't do daylight savings there. And so when I came back, I got hit by the two-hour time change plus the extra hour from daylight savings I missed in Arizona and then also got back from the airport or got landed at like 1 a.m. So yeah, it was just rough. But yeah, we're well rested now. I had some crazy dreams the past couple nights, you know, just making out more. I feel like I get crazier dreams, like vivid dreams when I'm out like a light, you know? I don't know if that's a normal thing. No, that makes sense. Can you share any dreams or are they too wild for radio? Dude, I don't think the Rentish Pod listeners are ready. You don't think that'll get approved by the content board? That'll get it demonetized? Okay. Yeah. All right, well, we don't have to cover that, but I'm glad you made it home safe and sound. Glad you're energized and ready to roll. We have a special guest. Yes. For this week's episode. Before I talk about the topics that we're going to get into really quickly, I want to officially welcome our producer, Moussey, to the podcast. Moussey, what's going on, man?

SPEAKER_03: 2:54

Hey, everyone. I'm doing good. Good. Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_01: 2:57

Yeah, we're happy to have you. Even though I'm

SPEAKER_03: 2:58

the producer, thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_01: 3:01

Well, having you as the producer and having you as a voice is two very different things. And we're glad to have you here. Thank you. Anytime you hear like faint chuckling in the background of a Rentish episode, it's because Patrick and I are probably laughing at something Moussey did or looked. He has a distinct like look whenever something happens or we say something specific that tickles his fancy. We've been trying to get this man a mic for a while. Yeah, right. Thank goodness the producers made this happen. Moussey, thank you for being on the show today. We've got a great episode. Moussey is going to play a game with us. He has not shared with us the details of said game, so we're going to be surprised by that but i'm guessing it has to do with property management real estate Does it? Yes,

SPEAKER_00: 3:41

it has to. Anything else?

SPEAKER_01: 3:43

And then we're also going to talk about your first property sort of segment. This is the Moussey episode. We should just title this the Moussey episode because he's like, he's captaining the ship and we're going to have a good time. Well, thank you. I appreciate it. Yeah. All right. Patrick. Yes. Are you ready to switch gears from the goofiness and talk about really serious property management? So ready. Yeah. You ready? You wore a polo today just for the occasion. Like an an actual button-up shirt. First polo sighting since I was probably in second grade picture days. How many dress shirts do you own? Dress shirts? I have more complete button-down shirts. A dressier shirt than a t-shirt. Yeah, I've got... I like Henleys a lot, and I like the button-downs. I don't love the polo look, but it was kind of slim pickings this morning. I haven't done laundry in a minute. You haven't done laundry in a minute? I did not have that many options. It was this or a Van Halen shirt that's too small, so I

SPEAKER_02: 4:38

landed on this.

SPEAKER_01: 4:39

All right. Moussey, my first property. So I'm reading through the show doc here. We got my first property with Moussey. You clarified that it was me on the document. So I'm glad about that. So take it away, man.

SPEAKER_03: 4:54

Yeah, this segment, we were thinking of just explaining the basics of buying a rental property. I was in a situation where I was fortunate enough to do that. Me and my wife, we were looking for a property for a while and we were able to find a duplex So we live in the bottom and then we try to run out the top part.

SPEAKER_01: 5:12

Did you know that that was like on your plan, like your plan list for a while? Is that like get a property and I want to, you're living in it and you're renting it out. So that was like, that was purposeful, the whole thing?

SPEAKER_03: 5:23

Yeah. Before I was even dating and stuff, I always wanted to have some type of real estate investment. It didn't have to be like a duplex type of thing. When we got married and stuff, I wanted to still pursue this. So we were just trying to find how can we Pursue it in an affordable way.

SPEAKER_02: 5:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 5:41

So it wasn't easy, but I also think it's not as hard as people make it seem to be.

SPEAKER_01: 5:47

We're going to be doing a bit of a deep dive into Moussey's property buying experience, and it's a huge milestone for anybody. So obviously, congrats, Patrick. Should we say congrats to Moussey? Yes, congrats. Yes. I've seen it. You've seen his house? I have. Yeah, yeah. My girlfriend and I, we went on a coffee double date sort of situation at a coffee shop by the house. And, yeah, it was really cool. Rate his house. Oh, God. It was really nice. It was big. Yeah, I was impressed. Honestly, it was nicer than I was expecting. Not that I felt like that was an insult in and of itself. No, it's not an insult. Actually, I don't want to spoil anything, so that's all I'll say for now. We'll go right in. All right, so the joke. journey to buying your first property. Let's start at the beginning, right? What inspired you to buy the property specifically? Was it really just that investment opportunity or was there anything more than that?

SPEAKER_03: 6:41

Well, my dad ran a couple of properties and I always was like, okay, I feel like this should be easier than he's making it out to be. Like he's a very hustler minded. And so I was like, this is a great investment. However, I want to make sure like, I think in the And I think I can do just as good of a job. That's what inspired me

SPEAKER_01: 7:04

in the first place. Cool. That's awesome. I saw that opportunity. How did you decide when it was the right time to buy?

SPEAKER_03: 7:11

We were renting out for like a couple years and we were thinking, all right, our lease is coming up. And we were in a situation where we had to sign a new lease and it would be like an 18 month lease. But that just seemed too far in advance. We have to either sign it again or we could use the same money we were paying rent to find a property lo and behold our timeline it was it was matching the time that we said you know we want to only be renting for this amount of years and i think it was like two or three years at that time that's when we just you just went for

SPEAKER_01: 7:44

it yeah well tell me your sights on the specific not that you have to describe your perfect house like the house that you have the property that you have but like what what were you looking for when you went out and started like shopping around like did you have any specific like it's got to be this it's got to have this did anything change along the way

SPEAKER_03: 8:01

yeah a lot changed when you are putting your budget together and then we we have a realtor he was my old landlord and he was a great landlord um i really liked the way they communicated i really liked you know how they did things and he's also like a big realtor in the area and so i hit him up and him and his wife do this this uh stuff uh to find houses uh shout out to brian and uh

SPEAKER_01: 8:27

shout out to brian

SPEAKER_03: 8:28

brian and sylvia nelson they're really i recommend them to anyone. And they made the process easier where we sat down with them. They said, what do you guys want? They wrote all of it down. They said, what's your budget? And then they're like, okay, realistically, you're probably not going to have this. You're not going to have that. They made a portal for us with that portal, all these properties that pop up that are not technically on Zillow yet. And so that really helped with

SPEAKER_01: 8:53

the process.

SPEAKER_02: 8:54

Cool.

SPEAKER_01: 8:55

Yeah. Can you give us a ballpark of exactly how long it took from the start process of looking to the process of getting it. How long did it take?

SPEAKER_03: 9:04

Okay, so we started in April. So April, May, June, July,

SPEAKER_01: 9:10

August. Mental math, everybody. It takes effort.

SPEAKER_03: 9:13

I think seven months.

SPEAKER_01: 9:14

Seven months. Okay. That's a process. Seven months is a long time. You had a question, Pat? Yeah. At any point, did you consider like, was the process looking like maybe grim enough to where you wouldn't be able to do like a duplex and you just have to get a single family house? Like, was that at any point like a

SPEAKER_03: 9:29

fear that you were having? Yeah. We were a day away from just saying, screw this. And looking through Zillow and there was like properties that I was looking at and I was like, oh, this looks good. So I sent it to my realtor. And usually what he does is when I send them the property he just goes and like okay I'm contacting the people there so they can show you it or I can I can show you the place so that made it really easy but the next day I think we looked at it so

SPEAKER_01: 9:54

the stars align basically that's is there anything you wish you had known before going into the whole home buying process buying the house and anything that you were like if I could tell a couple year old me something what would it be

SPEAKER_03: 10:07

I don't think there's a bad time I always was fearful of like are we gonna spend too much how are we gonna make it happen but you're connected with a loan provider the guy that was helping us he was very knowledgeable and he also had rental properties too and he was telling me all these situations so they gave you hypotheticals like if you wanted to put 5% down 10% down or all these different loans so in reality you don't need too much money to be honest to put a down payment but that's the thing I never knew until I was doing the process that's what I would tell my younger self

SPEAKER_02: 10:42

okay

SPEAKER_01: 10:43

according to Zillow They say that a typical down payment on the house is between 3% and 20% of the purchase price. So you think you get air on the smaller side? Yeah, I think we put only 5% down. 5% of the property? Yeah. That's what I'll tell my younger self.

SPEAKER_02: 11:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 11:01

Well, I'm younger than you, so I'm taking that advice. Thank you, Musse. Oh, you're welcome. I just love it. You guys are so ginger with the microphone. You're just like, oh, thank you so much. Pass it on over to the next person. We're going to get Musse. a proper microphone system, right, Pat? We got the money to do that. Yeah, for sure. I think it's an essential at this point. We'll start a, like, you know, a swear jar. It's like whenever you swear, you put like a dollar in the thing. We could do that, but like call it the movie jar. It's like anytime someone brings up movies or film or Letterboxd, you gotta put a dollar in the jar. We'll have that shit raised in like a day. So, okay. What else? Do you have any other questions to ask Musae? Do we have anything else to ask him about the home buying process? I didn't realize that you only paid 5%. I think I'm one of those people who assumed that a down payment had to be 20%. That's actually really reassuring to hear somebody that I know recently bought the house and you were able to do so without totally breaking the bank. The fact

SPEAKER_03: 12:03

that you were able to afford it to begin with. The interesting part, it wasn't a FHA loan. It was a conventional. The guy was like, you can do a first-time home owner loan and there's different stipulations. They bracket where you are financially. And so obviously if you're married, it's a little bit different. And so with that, this loan worked better and there were three other options. So with this 5% loan, we could take a grant where they would actually pay the whole down payment where we won't have to spend anything upfront, but you do have to pay the grant back later.

SPEAKER_01: 12:41

Cool. Are you planning on investing in more properties in the future?

SPEAKER_03: 12:46

Yes.

SPEAKER_01: 12:48

However,

SPEAKER_03: 12:49

because we're doing midterm rentals right now, and it's been kind of hard to keep a consistent person there. I think if we go to long term, I definitely want to look for more.

SPEAKER_01: 13:01

Cool. Well, I'd say we did a good job here interviewing our subject. Yeah. And we say thank you for sharing and congratulations again and good luck in your future investments. I'm sure we'll chronicle them as we're... chronicling this show, The Rentish Pod. So we'll have to keep you coming back and giving us updates on your investments and when you buy that palatial estate and all that stuff. Yeah, yeah. Where can listeners follow and connect with you if you're an expert? Do you want to plug anything?

SPEAKER_00: 13:31

I don't want to plug anything except The Rentish Podcast. There you

SPEAKER_03: 13:36

go. Follow us here. A lot of the things are derived from ideas that our whole team has. Yep.

SPEAKER_01: 13:41

And yeah. Cool. And reminder, if you have any questions for Musée or for the show in general, always feel free to email questions at therentishpod.com. Okay. You still doing okay, Patrick? How's the energy level? I'm thriving. Thriving? Yeah. All right. Are we going to keep Moussey around for a little bit longer? I think he's got a game that he wants us to play. Yeah. I want to play the game. Before you tell us what we're doing, because we don't know. Patrick and I don't know what's happening. I truly have no idea what game this is. I want to know if this is a game you invented or if we're playing a game game.

SPEAKER_03: 14:16

Oh, it's a game that you guys played before. You just have to guess the acronym, and then you also have to guess the definition. All right. Let's do it. Hit me. All right. All right. So let me hit you, Patrick. So this acronym, you hear it a lot. All right. It's three letter acronym. The first one is P. The second letter is M. Third letter is I.

SPEAKER_01: 15:06

PMI. Property Money Investment. Oh, sorry. Not yet.

UNKNOWN: 15:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 15:15

I don't think so. Hold on. If that's a real term, I'm taking very close consideration. It might be a mine. Property money investment.

SPEAKER_03: 15:30

Yeah, when I was first making this game... I thought, you know, it'd be fun if I gave you, instead of, you know, three options, let me give you four options that you have to

SPEAKER_01: 15:40

sift through. Okay, got

SPEAKER_03: 15:42

it, got it. What you think the term, actually, the acronym stands for. Okay. This is PMI, not BMI. The first acronym, is it Property Management Index? Is it Personal Mortgage Investment? Is it private mortgage insurance or is it private money insurance? Ooh, okay.

SPEAKER_01: 16:02

Well, it's hard because we don't have any context. So it's like, have you heard that abbreviation in a sentence? No, it sounded familiar. But then when you said BMI, I'm like, oh, that's why it sounds familiar. Like the body mass index. I don't think it's the last two. They just didn't sound right. The last one definitely didn't sound right. Because the last one was my BS one, right? Wasn't that what I said? What was the last one? The

SPEAKER_03: 16:25

private money

SPEAKER_01: 16:25

insurance. Oh, private money insurance. I just don't think money sounds like a professional term. It would be like funds. Finance or funds, yeah. What was the first one again? Property Management Index. That was the only one of those when he was reading them through where I was like, that sounds kind of legit. Read them all though. I thought it

SPEAKER_03: 16:42

was the second one.

SPEAKER_01: 16:43

The second

SPEAKER_03: 16:44

one? Yeah, so first one, Property Management Index. Second one, Personal Mortgage Investment. Third one, Private Mortgage Insurance. And then fourth one, Private Money Insurance.

SPEAKER_01: 16:55

You want to Lock in number two. Do you think it's number two or number one? My gut was saying number one at first, but if you have a strong feeling about two, I'd say we lock it in. Personal mortgage investment. Personal mortgage investment. Property management index. No, you're getting that mixed up with the BMI again. The first one was property management index, right? Yeah. Yeah, so property management index. Maybe that's why I'm getting it confused too is that that sounds legit because it also sounds like BMI. Personal mortgage investment. Private mortgage insurance. PMI, private mortgage insurance. Which could be that, maybe, actually. But it's definitely not the last. Okay, do you want to lock in two? Let's just lock in two. We've locked in number two.

SPEAKER_03: 17:32

Okay, so you're saying it's personal mortgage investment.

SPEAKER_01: 17:37

Personal mortgage investment.

SPEAKER_03: 17:38

Yes, and according to my sources, according to what I've been through and what I see, it is not number two. Oh, shit. It is private mortgage insurance.

SPEAKER_01: 17:51

Oh, really? So it's number three. Number three. All right. Oh, we should have done that like ACT tactic where like his private was the first word used twice. Mortgage was used twice, you know. All right. So do you want to give us a little explanation? Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 18:06

And I mean, I didn't I didn't really understand it before I brought up property. So I think it's fine if you guys don't.

SPEAKER_01: 18:13

I thought you meant before the show. All right. Go ahead. What is it?

SPEAKER_03: 18:17

So now I'm going to have you guys guess the definition. OK, so there's three definitions. Oh, man. And you guys just have to guess it. So the first definition, PMI is insurance that protects the lender if a borrower defaults on a mortgage typically required when the down payment is less than 20%. Number two, PMI is a fee paid by homeowners to insure their property against damages like fire, theft, and natural disasters. I don't think it's that one. No. The first one sounded super right, but... And then the third one, PMI is a type of loan program designed to help first-time homebuyers qualify for lower interest rates. I'm ready to lock in number one

SPEAKER_01: 18:58

if you want. Yeah, let's lock in number one.

SPEAKER_03: 18:59

Ding, ding,

SPEAKER_01: 19:00

ding, ding, ding. He's a soundboard. That is correct.

SPEAKER_03: 19:05

So... A lot of times, essentially what I look at it as, a middleman almost. It's exactly like if I was like, hey, Patrick, you need$100,000. Okay, I'm going to give you$100,000. But you have to pay me. If your down payment is less than 20%, you have to pay me maybe$200 a month. Because I want to make sure that if you default, if you can't pay the mortgage loan that I gave you, that I have at least money. Essentially, I don't want to be liable for your mistakes, sir. And so...

SPEAKER_01: 19:43

So it's kind of like, you know, it's insurance in a way. It's like making sure that you've locked that down and that there's not going to be any kind of funny business. Right. Got it. So what? One for one, I guess, on that one? We got the definition. One for two. Yeah. Or, yeah, one for two. Yeah. Half, 50%. 50%. Correct. ACT, fail. Fail. Well... Technically fail. Is that the only term that we had to guess today? Yeah. Oh, no. All right. Well, we're going to have to redeem ourselves on the next episode, man. Sounds good. Yeah, good. We learned something today. I did. Learned two things. What was the second thing? Well, what the PMI acronym was. Yeah. And then what the definition of that is. Oh, okay. The two separate things. Because we had two parts of the game. I got it. Yeah, okay. Fair enough. You know, you challenged me, and I appreciate that. Thank you. I think it's time to turn to the mailbox. What do you guys think? Let's do it. All right, mailbox here. Welcome back to another round of listener-submitted real estate questions, which have been sent to questions at therentishpod.com. As always, we're here to help, but remember, consult the pros before making any big moves. Yeah, make sure you consult a professional. Like me say. Yeah, like me say. Yeah, me say. Take these. Let's jump into this week's quirky, thought-provoking, and downright entertaining questions from listeners all over the world. I love the copy there. Okay, Patrick, you want to read first? You want me to read first? I can go first. Should we say read a question? We got four questions, the three of us. I can read the first one if that helps. Kelsey from Los Angeles says, I've heard different opinions about rental property security deposits. Some landlords refund them fully while others take deductions for even minor things. What's your take on security deposit best practices? Should landlords provide a detailed breakdown of charges to tenants? Security deposits. Interesting. Okay. Yeah. Cool. Well, here's what I'll say. I can really only answer this in the form of a tenant opinion since I don't own property and how security deposits have been for me over the years with all my various landlords that I've had. I'd be curious to hear Musee's opinion on this because I'm guessing that you took a security deposit from your tenants, right?

UNKNOWN: 22:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 22:10

Yeah. So take the security deposit. You list if it's refundable or non-refundable. Where do you list that? You mean in the terms of your lease?

UNKNOWN: 22:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 22:20

In the terms of your lease or like, for example, since we do midterm, we put our listing on Furnished Finder. And so there's an option where you can do refundable or non-refundable. Ours was, yeah, you're going to get it refunded back. And usually you list it on your lease specifically. And then when they sign the lease, it should also say when they're getting the deposit back. And usually it's a 30-day notice until you get your deposit back.

SPEAKER_01: 22:47

Gotcha. What about you, man? What about your opinion on that? My opinion on security deposit refunds? Just on the deposits. Well, she's Kelsey from Los Angeles just kind of says, what's your take on security deposit best practices? My take is from what I understand, a lot of states have specific legislation on term in terms of how to refund it. Right. And what it can be refunded to. And I think my take as a tenant is I think some landlords will take advantage of people not knowing the specific ways security deposits can be refunded or have to be refunded legally for the state or like what kinds of things can like I think normal wear and tear in a lot of times can't be you know you can't take out of a security deposit but like obviously larger damages can i think my take would be as as a renter knowing the tenant rights with security deposit refunds because i think some landlords will take advantage of people not knowing yeah um but and at the same time as a landlord like you know it's probably important to know like what you can you know what you can take out of it too so yeah yeah you stole the words out of my mouth i mean i was basically going to say the exact same thing I did but I definitely agree in terms of like having a detailed breakdown of the of those charges like if you are going to take a security deposit as a landlord and then refund it with like deductions making sure that those are detailed down so like there's a chance that it's like in writing that's not just like some arbitrary like oh well I collected$1,500 from you and I'm not gonna I'm gonna return$100 of it because of damages to the property without like itemizing it and like making sure that it's clearly communicated to the to the tenant right some stats that I found online that are really fascinating I think 59% of renters don't expect to get a full refund back according to some sites that's crazy so like just in the United States alone 59% of tenants that go into a lease agreement with a landlord that go to rent property don't believe that they're going to get a full refund back Does that number seem high to you? That seems very high.

SPEAKER_03: 24:44

That seems high from my renting experience. I think something that you mentioned earlier, the lease, you should also put if this is damaged, how much everything will cost because then when you're out looking up When you're looking at your property, you're like, hey, this guy jammed his car into my house. That's definitely more than the security deposit. Sure, right. Or if somebody took a hammer and then accidentally put a hole through the wall when they were putting up a painting, that's like$30 or something. I don't know. But it also is helpful because then you can refer to that with the tenant. But I didn't know 59% of people don't think they're going to get their deposit back. That's kind of wild.

SPEAKER_01: 25:28

I lean in that camp. That's the interesting thing. I think that number's high, but I've had landlords totally jerk me out of deposits before. Maybe it's just because I've been gullible and I've not really been... in the property management field for that long. But yeah, I've definitely had landlords withhold more than I felt like they should have from the security deposit. I put up a fight before with one of my college housing stuff. I was not backing down. I was like, I need itemizer speed, da-da-da-da-da, all this stuff. Sure, yeah. Very frustrating. Maybe I'm just a pushover. All right, I'll take the next one. Listener Jordan from Austin. I'm guessing that's Austin, Texas wrote in. I've recently been considering renting out a unit in my home, but I'm a little hesitant about the potential for problems with tenants. This kind of goes hand in hand with what we were just talking about. What's the most unexpected challenge you faced as a first-time landlord and how did you handle it? So it's kind of perfect that we got Musee on the episode because Jordan wants to know how you've handled an unexpected challenge with a tenant.

SPEAKER_03: 26:29

That's a good question. So I think a lot of things in life is like it deals with communication and being able to just communicate what you want and also like communicating in a way where it's not disrespectful it's you know for me when running the properties like i'm not doing it just for like the money i'm doing it also so that there's somebody living here and you want to make sure that it's also fitting for them so one of the challenges we had was uh this guy he kept leaving all the lights on And let me, like, this is a fully furnished place. The only thing he's paying for is rent. So he's not paying utilities. And he works like third shift. The thing I did was I just texted him, hey, can you make sure the lights are off? He said, yeah, my bad. Next day, the lights are on again. And then I'm like, maybe he just forgot. Lights are on again. And then... I just said, hey, can I go in there and turn it off for you? And he's like, yeah, totally. So when the light like then it stopped happening less and less. But I think that challenge was weird because I was like, you know, I expect people like if you're leaving your home, you turn off the lights or leaving like, you know, Airbnb or whatever. hotel like i wouldn't think like everyone just like leaves their lights on and then just

SPEAKER_01: 27:45

so elaborate not to get into the specifics but when you say all the lights you literally mean like every overhead light in every room every lamp every everything like how many lights are we talking here

SPEAKER_02: 27:57

okay

SPEAKER_01: 27:57

because like when there are some lights that i don't know how you guys feel about this but there are some lights that i just purposefully leave on in the house especially when like I'm not home. You know, or whatever. But it's like, it's not like, like my front patio light, always on. My back patio light, always on. I usually leave one lamp on in the living room as well. And that's just to like show that there's light inside the house as well. Maybe that's just a paranoia thing from my perspective. But it's like, was this guy, this guy was just like full like turn every power switch up to 11.

SPEAKER_03: 28:29

Yeah, like I don't know what was going on because every like room had the light on. And the worst thing is those lights that are not like, uh, They're not recessed like this. They're more like a bulb. They can overheat and cause a fire. And so he would just have it on. I'm like, dude, and the bathroom light on, kitchen light on, bedroom light on. I was like, damn, man.

SPEAKER_01: 28:50

Is that the worst thing? When I asked you for a challenge with a tenant, is that the worst challenge you faced with a tenant? Not that you have to share another one, but I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_03: 29:02

Okay, the challenge I'm having right now is I already gave him the deposit back because I was like, I looked up there and I was like, oh, this is good. He didn't get the deposit back. I gave it to him in like a week. I was that gullible. Right now, I'm having an issue with the toilet. The toilet is dark. What? The challenge is I got to go to Home Depot and get some cleaning stone thing. Apparently, this is a normal thing. We had the toilet before he moved in. It was clean, but then... I went in one day to just turn off the lights and I, you know, I went in the bathroom and I looked at the toilet and I was like, man, this guy, I don't know what he did to the toilet. And I was like, I'm sure he's going to like scrub it off. And weeks later when he moves out, I'm like, man, it's still here. So I try scrubbing it off and it's like, sorry guys. So cover your ears. But like,

SPEAKER_01: 29:57

it's like brown,

SPEAKER_03: 29:58

the whole, the whole toilet bowl is brown and I can't, I can't stop.

SPEAKER_01: 30:03

The inside of the

SPEAKER_03: 30:04

toilet bowl. The toilet bowl is brown. Is it sediment? It's not poop anymore. It's sediment. I think what happens if you pee and you just leave it there.

SPEAKER_01: 30:13

Got it. Dirty toilet bowl. Love it. That was a challenge. Definitely a challenge. Who wants to take the next question?

SPEAKER_03: 30:22

Patrick, you can take it.

SPEAKER_01: 30:29

Tyler from Denver asks, as a landlord, how do you feel about short-term rentals like Airbnb? Is it something you've considered? Do you prefer the stability of long-term tenants? What are the pros and cons in your experience? We talked about this in a previous episode. I'm kind of leaning away toward wanting to ever do Airbnb, honestly. I just think the stability of long-term tenants, if you find a good tenant, it's a well-oiled machine, honestly. Versus Airbnb, there's a lot of work and also a lot of, if you don't get a tenant, like consistently, you know, you might end up losing money in the long term over over a easier to deal with long term tenant. Also, I just kind of went to some like hotels and motels on my trip to Arizona. And it's really convenient. I think I prefer going to hotels over Airbnb as a traveler, I guess. So I would personally lean away from Airbnb. But that's just me. Yeah. Yeah, I feel you there. I mean, as a landlord, it would be hard, like owning a property and renting out a room in an Airbnb sort of vacation home kind of style, fashion. Seems a bit difficult for me to grasp. I mean, as a person, just general person using hotels and Airbnbs, I typically go with the cheapest option and Airbnb is quickly becoming not the cheapest option. So that's my stance on it right now. When Airbnbs become cost affordable again, that's when I'll start using them more frequently. I feel like it also depends on location too. Some places, Airbnbs, the move. And who you're traveling with. This year, I've had to book a lot of Airbnbs with a bunch of people that I'm traveling with, like a group of friends. And Airbnbs are way more convenient for that because then you pay one static price and just split it among those people and you have a bigger space. Hotel, renting out blocks of hotel rooms or like back-to-back rooms, that can get expensive and difficult to manage really quickly. For sure, for sure. Your opinions, Musae, would you ever rent out a, would you ever do an Airbnb if you had like a beach vacation villa you want to rent out for an Airbnb or something? On the Ohio River.

SPEAKER_03: 32:27

Like you guys, I agree. I feel like if you're doing Airbnb, it has to be in a good area where you get a lot of traction and you have to be kind of near the area because you've got to constantly do the turning over.

SPEAKER_01: 32:39

One of these days we should do a segment where we talk about– we've got to talk about our favorite hotel stories or the best hotel experiences. Yeah. Oh, man. I love hotels. There's something so cozy about a hotel. It's really cool. Okay. One more question. Moussey, you want to take this one?

SPEAKER_03: 32:55

Why not? Eduardo from Santa Monica loves you guys. I know you guys primarily focus on property management topics, but you did say in a recent episode that you could ask anything we wanted. I'm taking that to heart, he says, and I'd like to ask you guys how to handle health management. How do you stay fit and active? And do you meal prep or diet? I heard Patrick say on a recent episode he's on a health kick, and I I'd like to know more. Cheers from the West Coast.

SPEAKER_01: 33:20

So, you know, property management, and he's talking about health management, right? So he's like kind of crossing the streams there. There are so many health-oriented podcasts, and this is not where you should be getting this answer. With that said, you know, my health kick, I feel like I'm just always on a health kick. And, you know, rarely am I doing well with it. But I guess my most recent health kick is I cut out soda, except for once a week, I think. I have a soda pop once a week. And then I also have been eating avocado turkey sandwiches for lunch. Oh, wow. Yeah, with some sriracha. What kind of bread? Are you using wheat bread? I found this sourdough from Kroger. It's called Ace Bistro sourdough bread or something. I think the brand is Ace. Not a sponsor. Okay. but yeah, it's really good. So a lot of it for you has just been like cutting back on some sugary foods and bad foods and like take out food. I'm trying to take, I'm trying to eat like less processed foods. Like, and I snack, I started snacking on like, you know, talkies or like chips or whatever. I'm trying to do pistachios. Oh, um, and just try to eat like a little bit like less processed foods, like making sure I don't like, cause I could just like eat forever. Right. It's just, just trying to like make sure my portion sizes are less, less American. I could eat forever is great. Thanks for this, uh, for listening and for writing in Eduardo we appreciate it maybe if we have any health tips we'll sprinkle them in on the podcast on a later day talk about calorie smart hot dogs and stuff alright thanks for listening to another episode of the Rentish podcast we really appreciate everyone for tuning in and hanging out with us it's been a fun show it's been entertaining it's good to have Moussey here we only had to censor one thing and that's great my name is Zach that's Patrick Moussey there you can follow the Rentish pod on many different places just online you can hit the notification bell to make sure that you're notified when new episodes go live. You can comment, you can give us a five-star rating, or whatever the equivalent 10 out of 10, five out of five is on the podcast platform of choice for you. And if you have any questions, topic suggestions for the show, any real estate, property management things, or fun games, or anything that you want us to play, feel free to email questions at therentishpod.com. That's another episode of the show, and we'll see you guys later.