The Rent-ish Pod

📈 Rising Costs, The Flatiron Building's Bold Past, & Listener Q&A!

• Zach and Patrick • Season 1 • Episode 6

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 In episode six of The Rent-ish Pod, Zach and Patrick kick things off by breaking down the latest CBS News price tracker. From food and gas to utilities and housing, the hosts dig into how rising costs are impacting everyday life—and what that means for renters and landlords alike.

Next up, it's time for Proptology! This week’s architectural spotlight lands on the iconic Flatiron Building. Discover the bold design choices, quirky history, and why this legendary structure still turns heads over a century later.

Finally, Zach and Pat tackle a fresh batch of Listener Questions—some practical, some hilarious, and all answered with their usual blend of insight and banter.

🏙️ From economic trends to real estate trivia and iconic landmarks, this episode delivers value with a side of entertainment.

🎧 Tune in now for another jam-packed episode of real estate talk, good laughs, and your questions answered!

📩 Got a question or story for the show? Drop us a line at questions@therentishpod.com—we might feature you on a future episode!

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What's going on, everybody? Welcome to the Rent-ish Podcast. I'm Zach, and I'm here with my co-host, Patrick. What up? We are your hosts today, and we're the podcast that kind of talks about rental properties and property management. It's hosted by us two, two guys that work in the real estate industry, and we kind of know what we're talking about. But mostly don't. You nailed the catchphrase this week. I did. I studied hard. Beautiful. I love it. But I think you guys are going to have fun listening to the episode. We're going to talk to experts. We're We're going to hear some news updates from around the world of property management and real estate. We're going to talk about some fun buildings today. We've got three humdingers. If I do say so myself, we've got listener questions. We're going to talk about the flat iron building and we do proptology and we're going to talk about rising housing, food, gas costs. So does that sound fun? Are you ready for

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Yeah, I'm ready. You ready for it? Two coffees in me. I drink a coffee, and then 10 seconds after finishing that, producer gives me a cup of coffee. So I'm shaking right now. I am ready to talk about these. She just wants to talk about

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iron building. Let's talk news. That's a good name for the segment. Let's talk news. Let's talk news. That's a good. Yeah, I like it. Let's talk news. That was organic. That's what we call. Thinking on the spot. All right. CBS News price tracker shows how much food, gas, utility, and housing costs are rising. So this is an article from CBS News. Patrick, did you read the article? I was going to, but then I sort of didn't and forgot. That's fine. My bad. No, it's okay. I like that this is our bit now is that I do all the work and then you sit there and look pretty. All right. Rising costs are reshaping daily life in America with housing leading the charge. Soaring home prices and rents combined with high food, gas, and utility bills are squeezing household budgets like never before. So discussion real quick before we get into a a lot of the bullets of the article and the article itself. How have rising costs affected your daily life, whether it's housing, groceries, gas, all of the above? I feel like we can be candid here. The producers are like, just talk about it. I mean, costs have affected everybody. We can say that pretty straight on. The very noticeable one for me, because I live in the city downtown, so I don't get in my car as much as probably most people do. So gas isn't affecting me as much, but definitely food, I've definitely noticed in the past five years. McDonald's alone is twice as expensive as it was like your college you know yeah dude all right so side note on the mcdonald's thing fast food inflation yeah what what the hell is happening here yeah the last time so i i rarely get fast food just casually but like on road trips it's really convenient like if i'm driving to columbus or cleveland or whatever i need to get like fast food that's fine but a 10 piece chicken mcnugget fry and a drink is like it's like 12 now it's like oh yeah how in the world is that worth it i i i I don't know. I can't, I remember my, I would get like a regular hamburger from McDonald's ending when like 20. 20, I think the 2019 ish. It was 90 cents for a hamburger. And now it's like two 50 for just a regular hamburger. You know, it's insane. And my, one of my business buddies told me that a really good indication of how bad inflation is, is things like McDonald's for everyday items, fast, fast food, American food, quick convenience. Yeah. When that stuff starts going up, you can realize like, I've, I've been told that same thing, the cost of a burger or the price of a Coke price of a bottle Coke can of Coke. Like you can tell like what's going on by the cost of that, like how it fluctuates or whatever. But yeah, it's, it's, It's crazy to me. I used to in college, not even that long ago. I was in college in the early 2010s. I was able to go to Taco Bell with$5 and eat like a king. That's the thing. These places are for getting– if you have$4 in your bank account, you know you can go to McDonald's or Taco Bell and get a real substantial meal. Or at least you used to be able to. But now it's– you're paying– You know, it's definitely different restaurant prices, Michelin

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Michelin, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, food, I think is pretty ubiquitous. I mean, if you're an American, you're usually buying groceries. I can't think of anyone out there. That's like, that doesn't really apply to, I guess, colleges and young kids. That's true. But it's like, you know, people are aged. I mean, like over, you know, 25 and up 23 and up wherever you're at in life. Typically you need to go to the grocery store. That's where I'm noticing it hit the most. Like, in terms of like rising costs affecting my daily life is that I've had to budget differently for the, for the grocery. Like I can no longer get the same amount of groceries that I used to for a hundred dollars at Kroger. Like I, I have to, I have to plan differently, different meals, different items of food. I've been leaning towards like, to like help make costs of the grocery last longer. I've been making a lot more like crock pot meals. So like getting like a bigger piece of meat and being able to like cook it down in the crock pot and then have leftovers for days afterwards and be able to like stretch a meal, stretch that dollar a little bit further. Right. Do you, You don't cook at home. Well, I do health kick. I don't know if listeners have heard. I want a health kick. I had chicken and broccoli last night for dinner, and I had it, again, leftovers for lunch, and I cooked it. Added some salt. I would hope you cooked. I got chicken and broccoli raw stream in the package. Yeah, it was, it was good. I'm all about this new cooking lifestyle. Yeah. I'm kind of a, kind of shuffling it up as I'm proud of you. Yes. I think that's good, but obviously it means that you're spending more money at the grocery. Yeah, but I'm spending less money at restaurants. So, uh, cause we're like restaurants. I would love like truly, I would love nothing more than to make enough money so I can eat out every single meal. Like that's my main incentive to like become rich, uh, That's really my only incentive is I don't want to cook, but like I can't because of how expensive. So when you go to a job interview and they ask like, where do you see yourself in five years? You're like not cooking my own meal. Right. That's pretty much. Yeah, that's pretty much the answer. Okay. Well, so have you noticed the difference in, in your spend, like in your spend from like limiting your restaurants and cooking more at home? Do you feel like you're spending less? Certainly grocery wise? Like, I mean, I, cause I did get, I, I don't lie. I didn't get some groceries in college and certainly groceries have gone up, but yeah overall because I can't eat at restaurants as often as I you know once was I'm definitely you know I have to compensate for that maybe spend the exact same amount but like have to get more

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yeah gas you mentioned like it doesn't really affect you that much living in the city which is cool that's awesome gas for me I only drive to the office a couple times a week but and my commute's only about 12-15 minutes so it's really like I'll fill my car up once and it'll last me a few weeks I don't really drive anywhere else except for to work so that hasn't really affected me a lot but I'm imagine people like we work with people that have like a 45 minute commute back and forth to home it's like oh my god that's my sister that's like a whole tank of gas yeah and those prices are crazy too but the housing we'll dig a little bit deeper into this so yeah we're talking about real estate yeah well this is all it's all factors into it if you know expensive gas location location location food like you have to think about all these factors that go into like renting as well so housing costs so from the article again this is citing from the article skyrocketing home prices homes now cost five times the median household That's kind of crazy in just a span of four years. Pretty nuts. I mean, have you... Not that you have to talk about how much you pay in rent, but I mean, have you noticed a change? I've noticed it since, well, I have really only been renting a few years at this point, you know, myself, because I didn't really have to deal with that as much in college. I mean, I'm paying$300 more than I was two years ago. Yeah, I've just anecdotally, we both were recording this in lovely, beautiful Cincinnati, Ohio. And yeah, that's where our studio is. And I've lived in Cincinnati Okay. Mm-hmm. which just feels, I mean, it feels like a lot, but it's also a longer time period. Like it's been a little bit more gradual.

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I've only ever had one instance where rent was like really jacked up in a short amount of time. It was during the pandemic too. Yeah. So that was, that was tough, but. Well, I'm talking to people who've been around like long, you know, like people our parents' age or whatever. I was talking to my uncle who bought his house, I forget when he bought it, sometime in the 2000s, for like$100,000. And now it's worth like what? Like$400,000 or something like crazy like that. It's like just crazy how much housing prices have jumped in the past decade. Yep. All right, food costs. So continue with the article here. Grocery examples. We got prices for staples like eggs surged by over 70% in 2022. And while they have stabilized they remain much higher than pre-pandemic levels eggs man Talk about something that just fluctuates in price all the time. I feel like it's different every time I go to the grocery. I don't really buy eggs, so. Really? Yeah, I buy like five things. But of your five essentials, eggs typically don't make it on the list. Eggs, yeah, I don't just regularly cook eggs, honestly. I don't know. So I believe you though. I believe the article. Cereal and baked goods continuing to rise with a recent 6% year over year increase. That's another thing. I don't know about you, but like I used to love cereal as a kid, but I've kind of like grown out of it a little bit yeah same crave cereal the same way I did when I was younger although like this hot take I prefer dry cereal but I know that this might over wet cereal yeah okay that's I agree though I love I had at least two bowls a day when I was younger like at least two probably three like tricks Cap'n Crunch. Cap'n Crunch was the bomb. Lucky Charms were my number one. Lucky Charms were great. Sometimes I'll eat the Special K, but I'm not really big into it anymore. And then dining out. Menu prices at restaurants have climbed about 24% since 2020, driven by rising wages and ingredients costs. The interesting thing for me, and I don't know if you feel the same way, because I don't know what kind of places that you go out to eat at. Fast, casual, fast food. takeout restaurants. All three of those I've noticed significant jumps where I noticed the price increases, but like dine in restaurants, like nicer upscale restaurants here in Cincinnati, like places in OTR where I live, like it's like sit down restaurants. I feel like there have been increases, but not as drastic, but maybe it's also because I feel like those are places where inherit more quality food. I feel like I'm getting a better meal at like a mom and pop sit down restaurant with like a nice menu and like not Bucca di Beppo or whatever. Like a place. I still feel like, I still feel like those have definitely gone up. Like, I feel like what may have been like a$12 meal before is now like a$17 meal. Maybe I'm, maybe I'm wrong. No, you're definitely not wrong. It depends on the place, obviously, but I've, I've definitely noticed all across the board restaurant. I mean like maybe super expensive restaurants to begin with, Like maybe those have been increased at that same rate. Yeah, I'm not a high dining kind of person. Like the nicest restaurant I think I frequent in Cincinnati would probably be like somewhere between like$35 to$45 a plate. Okay. Maybe a little bit more. Gotcha. Gas. We'll quickly go through this one. Gas average about$3.85 per gallon nationally in November of 2024 with California seeing prices above$5. Diesel prices critical for transportation and goods delivery also remain elevated which keeps logistic costs high. Two things. The first thing, gas is one of those weird ones that fluctuates all the time. Like I've seen it recently go below three, which was actually crazy to see. Unlike food, like you'll never go to McDonald's one week and be like, oh, the burger is only, you know, a dollar now. But speaking of California, my dad's in California. He complains constantly about how absurdly expensive stuff is out there. Yeah. Yeah. I've had, I have friends that live in San Francisco and I've traveled through California quite a few times. And man, it is, It is a difference, like paying for gas out there. Yeah. Yeah, be prepared to fill your car up. It typically costs like 40 bucks or whatever. It's going to cost like 60, 70 dollars. Crazy, crazy. Utility bills have increased about 25% over the past five years with average monthly electric bills now exceeding about$130 in many states. Definitely, I felt this one. You felt this one? Yeah, definitely felt this one. Yeah, it's not been atrocious for me this year, but we just started turning on the heat in the house. Our first bill was like$150 And I was like, yeah. I mean, October and May are usually like, whoa, I'm saving so much money. Prices have gone way down in the second AC or heat kicks on. Yep, that's how it goes. Contributing factors include grid modernization, renewable energy investments, and rising operational costs. So, yeah, we've talked about noticing our bills and household expenses going up. All that to say, rising costs, gas, food, electricity... All that. Yeah. It may be overwhelming, but understanding all these different factors at play and exploring solutions is definitely the first step forward in creating a more affordable future for everyone. Obviously, a lot of this stuff impacts rental properties. If you're owning a property, if you're renting in a property, so it affects everybody. This is a universal one. So, okay. that's the real news what did i call it let's talk news let's talk news all right well we talked news so now we're going to talk buildings uh we're going to do proptology which is patrick this week you're going to talk to me about a building yeah flat iron building yeah i had no idea that's what this building was called and to be honest with you i don't even think i've ever thought about this building and then yeah well i mean like obviously i recognize it but i've never i never knew about this building like a distinct you didn't know that this was a thing well i knew it was a thing. Like, you know, like I said, I recognize the building. If you, I see the picture of the building, I'm like, Oh yeah, that building. But I've never given it thought in the same way, you know, like empire state building. It's like, Oh yeah, that's a building. I've, you know, I can distinguish that building like just without the picture. Right. So that's fair. It's not like it doesn't scream. landmark. One of the other episodes we did the space needle. Yes. And it's like, that's the thing. That's a definitely unique looking thing. But this, I think it's a little bit more of a subtle historical building. Yeah. I mean like the classical architecture, there's a lot of, you know, just classic New York design here. The thing about it, if it was like a four sided building, it would just be like, that's a building. And for like those who don't have the picture right in front of them, it's kind of like a, triangular sort of building where it just kind of like the two of the sides just kind of meet to sort of like one rounded point. But yeah, I mean like the shape of the building more than anything is what kind of gives it the distinct look. So it was actually made decades before the Empire State Building, over a century before the One World Trade Center was built. It was one of the biggest buildings in Manhattan at the time. It's 22 stories tall, a little over 300 feet. So, pretty big. Nothing, like, huge according to modern standards. Yeah. Obviously, the Flatiron Building name comes from the resemblance to the clothing irons used at the time of the 20th century, which I actually did not know that's how it got its name. How it got the name. I wasn't really sure. When I think of Flatiron, isn't there that character from SpongeBob? You know who I'm talking about? What? No pickles. No, no, no, no, no. Yeah. No, no, no. No, it's like squid bits. It's like bits. Big Billy or something like that. No, no, no. The No Pickles guy from Spongebob. Isn't that flat? What is that, producer? Bubble Bass. Bubble Bass? Yeah. Okay. I see. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. That's his name? Bubble Bass? That's Bubble Bass. Oh.

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My bad. Are you just saying because he looks like an iron? No, I'm just saying I thought that was his name. You thought his name was iron? Maybe that's the kind of species he is in the SpongeBob universe. I don't know. Maybe I was just completely off with that one. No, it's okay. If there's someone out there who's like, I know that reference. I understand that reference. Anyways, building, flat iron building, not fish, was designed by Daniel Burnham, American architect, urban planner, and this building became an iconic symbol of New York. Now, would it surprise you reading through the Wikipedia article for the Flatiron Building? A survey in 2023 found that the Flatiron Building was the fourth most loved building in the United States. Does that surprise you at all? That does surprise me. Yeah, it surprises me too. Fourth most loved. Do you know what the top three were? Pulling up the article right now, we got fourth most loved. Fourth most loved. But you got to also think like, that's what I'm talking about with this being like a subtle building is that like, I think that this is a building that people, like a property that is beloved by architecture fans, like fans of like historical buildings. It's not just like, it's not the Empire State Building. It's not this symbol building. It's like, it's like an under the radar. Yeah, I see what you mean. So yeah, constructed 1901, completed 1902. So pretty quick turnaround there. A year. Yeah. Yeah, that's a great turnaround. That's a year. Let's see, 902, minus 1901. Yeah, I questioned that. Yeah, it checks out. Yeah, and so the architectural style is called Beau Arts, which I did not ever hear about that style. But apparently that style influenced the design. Beau Arts architecture was the academic architectural style taught at the... You want to French this word for me? Yeah, let's see. Look at that. What does that say? Can you see that? École des Bois. École des Bois. Okay. School of... Beau Arts. Beau is like beautiful or pretty. Got it. Yeah, it was 1830s to the end of the 19th century, drew upon the principles of French neoclassicism, but incorporated Renaissance and Baroque elements used in modern buildings. You can definitely tell those influences there, especially from like the top of the building. I mean, as far as the building for... nearly 120 years now, has served as an office space, actually. So wouldn't that be cool to work in that office? Have you ever been there? Well, you've been to New York, right? Yeah, I've been to New York, but I've never been to that building specifically. I've never been inside, but I've walked past it. You have? Yeah. Yeah, I don't think I've walked past it. But yeah, the most notable tenant is the publishing house Macmillan, which I think is that textbook. Really? Yeah. Oh, I don't. You know Macmillan? No, I don't. Macmillan? Yeah. Mac. Macmillan. M-A-C, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Recently, I'm reading on Britannica, someone proposes residential space, so you may soon be able to also live in the Flatirons. Speaking of rising prices, think about how much that would cost. Oh, my God. How much do you think a studio in New York City in Flatirons?$4,000.$4,000? Yeah, what do you think? You're probably right. I don't know how much it costs to rent a typical studio in New York as of right now. Way too expensive. Oh yeah, too expensive. I think probably over$2,000. Yeah, I would go at least$4,000 in that building. Yeah. That location too. A year ago, building owners announced plans to transform it into luxury condos. 60 units, 22 stories. So that conversion is set to be finished in late 2026. Just in time. Just in time for the podcast to really blow up. Yeah, so I mean, definitely not$4,000 per studio. They're going to be luxury condos. We're going to start fundraising. Let's start a GoFundMe. Please donate to help the podcast move to New York City. Money will be a good use. But yeah, as far as the building fun fact only six feet wide at the one end that's the cool thing is that you walk if you walk past the building you really do realize like how it does come to like quite like it does come to a tip like i mean you get to walk up right next to you you could probably like i yeah like hug it arm span yeah it's pretty cool many new yorkers at the time thought the odd looking building wouldn't hold up calling it burnham's folly folly i don't know what that folly Burnham's Folly. Sounds like a very 1902 thing to say. It sounds like an Irish pub band. That's a pretty sweet pub band name. Yeah. I guess it's supposed to be like a roast or something. They thought the winds would knock it over. Yeah. That sounds like some stupid, like, it's like, there, see, the building, the winds are gonna knock the, the winds are gonna knock the building over, flat on its side. The funny thing is that, like, you can see this, like, this influence a lot of other buildings. Even in Cincinnati, like, there's a building that looks exactly like the Flatiron, just on a smaller scale. Yeah, it comes to a tip at the end. I have no idea what you're talking about. Yeah, it's down there, but, like, I see buildings like this all the time. Like, This kind of style. Are we going to talk about the bathrooms or no? We just skipped that fun fact. Yeah, let's talk about the bathrooms. So the male and female bathrooms are on separate floors. Male bathrooms are on even floors and female bathrooms are on odd floors. That's a sign. That's a different time. That's a sign of a different time, yeah. But yeah, okay. On to movies, Zach. This is what I live for. Yes. Man, where is it? I don't see it on here. I don't see Superman. I recognize the building from Spider-Man. Yeah. Yeah, that's the obvious one, Daily Bugle. I mean, that's probably my first exposure to it as well. Like the first Spider-Man came out, was it 2000? 2001. No, 2001. Yeah. Yeah, the first Raimi Spider-Man was 2001. That's probably my first exposure to the building was seeing it as the Daily Bugle. Yeah. God. I love those movies. I love Spider-Man. So good. The third one's even kind of underrated, or like overhated. It's a good bad movie. That movie has aged better than a lot of other comic book movies, I think, because every time I go back, I just laugh at the jokes. There's a meme. There's a different meme from Spider-Man 3 every five seconds. It's got charm to it. I think the action in those movies is great. I mean, it's kind of dated, but it's very comic book-y and fun. I mean, Spider-Man 2, that train scene with Dr. Octopus us so awesome and then he's just the kid yeah no older than my son yeah I love that movie yeah so good other movies Godzilla I think I don't know which one they're talking about I would assume they're talking yeah they're probably talking about the bad Godzilla movie it was like Mike Matthew Broderick. Broderick, yeah. It was Matthew Broderick. Yeah, that's right. Trash movie. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. I'm assuming that's the Michael Bay one. I don't even remember. I saw that one in high school. Certainly, they've probably put the Flatiron Building and other Mutant Ninja Turtles properties. I don't know. They're in New York. They're jumping around. All right, rapid fire here. Armageddon. Sure. I don't remember. Yes, I remember that. I haven't seen that one, actually. Believe it or not. Oh, wow, you just got the jaw drop. You've not seen Hitch? That's probably one of his more famous movies. I would say

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I don't love Hitch, but it's okay. It was a romantic comedy for its time. I don't know if it ages that well, though. I haven't seen it in years. Um... That we got, as good as it gets, I think it's that Jack Nicholson movie. I saw that one. It's from like the 90s. I don't remember that building in it at all. But Veronica's Closet, never even heard of that one. I've never heard of that one either, yeah. Yeah, so obviously, and there might even be more movies where that's featured. Obviously, tons of movies take place in New York City, so. Yeah. Yeah, so that's, I mean, that's kind of the end of the notes I've got here on the Flatiron. Well, does researching the Flatiron and hosting the segment make you want to go and check it out again the next time you're in New York? Yeah, no, definitely will make a... A concrete pit stop. Make sure I hit that next time I go to New York. Definitely recommend people out there go check up on it. Go see it if you're in the city. Okay. All good? Yeah. Cool. Well, let's switch gears. All right, Patrick. What do you say we jump into the mailbag and listen to some questions that we got from our listeners out there? I say let's do it. Say let's do it. Okay. So this is going to be another segment of our listener questions. So as always, we appreciate everyone for listening to the show. If you have a real estate or property management question, or if you just have a fun question that you want to ask Patrick and I, you can email those to questions at therentishpod.com. We would love to hear from you. While we're here to help, we're here to answer your questions and have a lot of fun. Remember, consult with the pros before making any big moves. We're not saying that we're not pros. We're just saying that we're not not pros. Not, not, not pros. So let's jump into this and hear what you got to say. Do you want to go first? You want me to go first? You go for

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You want me to go? Okay. We got Tina from Tallahassee, Florida asks, I just inherited a house that needs a lot of work and I want to rent it out. What's the first thing I should tackle? Painting the walls, fixing the leaky faucet, or the mysterious smell in the basement? Tina. Tina. We got problems at this house. Sounds like we got problems. Obviously, it's a tricky situation here. Where would you go first, Pat? I would say painting the walls definitely isn't the priority when you have a mysterious smell in the basement. I'm going mysterious smell one, leaky faucet two, painting walls three. I think that's the appropriate ranking. Yeah. Any, how do you, what's a mysterious smell? I don't know, that could be anything from like a, you know, like a dead animal to something like that could actually be dangerous. Yeah, I was gonna say like a gas leak or something. It's like, yeah, it's all serious. So yeah, check that out. You know, water damage, if it's a mysterious smell, it could be like something that you need to take immediate action on. But yeah, fixing a faucet, it's like, I'm, you know, drippy faucets or whatever. That's a, that's, that's something that's going to impact your water bill and something you want to get fixed, but that's probably second on the priority list. Yeah. And then yeah, painting what might need to be done for sure, but it shouldn't be first on the list. Maybe try to avoid this. This is again, not a, you know, take Zach's opinion on here, but maybe avoid the landlord special when it comes to painting. But Hey, you know, that's just me. It's been done to death. Patrick, what you got? Question two comes from Manny from Des Moines, Iowa. Never been to Des Moines, Iowa. Never been to Iowa. Anyways, Manny's from there. I'm turning my attic into a rental unit. Cool, right? Cool. What's the one thing I should add to make it super appealing for renters? Well, first of all, check to see some states might have legislation in terms of what you can do. make into a rental unit. In some states, addicts certainly aren't going to fly, probably I don't know what state that is. I don't know what the, what the situation is. Yeah. We're not, we're not legal councils for the city of Des Moines. So yeah. Check out those, see, see what you can legally make into a, an apartment or a rental unit. Um, but if you are able to make an attic into a rental unit, like legally, definitely insulation. Um, yeah, I feel like that's going to be real hard to temperature control. Yeah. I mean, I feel like in order to make an attic into a rental unit, you got to Make it not an attic. You know what I mean? You have to kind of turn it into its own sort of room. Regardless of the situation, you're going to have some serious... renovation to do right because no attic is designed for a renter to live in from base so the funny thing is like I lived in a three-story house in Cincinnati for five years in the Oakley neighborhood that was like a renovated building and the third floor was an attic that was renovated to be a single bedroom apartment right and I only went up there a handful of times but it's like they had to do some serious stuff plumbing think about all that it's nuts it's a lot yeah like HVAC, you know, my, uh, my grandma's house in Paris has, I think it was like maybe an attic at one point, but the, the ceiling is kind of like, yeah. Yeah. So you can like stand up. I mean, you can fully stand up in a lot of it, but like 10 housing. Yes. Is that what that term is? I think so. It's like when, when you live in a house that has a point, like a pointed ceiling, like you're at the top, like you're in a tent. Yeah. No, I think it's cool. That's like, whenever I go, that's the room I stay in. I think it's an awesome room. So prime opportunity for skylights. Yeah. Oh yeah, there's a skylight there. He's like, there's a skylight. It's just a hole. It's a hole in the ceiling. I've just seen the night sky. would you live in an attic? I mean, if it was nice, yeah, I would have no problems with it. I mean, if it was like, if it was like an attic, no, but if it was like a renovated to be kind of its own little space, I think it'd be cozy. Okay. Would you? Yeah, I don't know. Probably not. I mean, it depends on if it was renovated or not, but I'm, I'm imagining attic as in like, uh, I just watched Christmas vacation. Cause that's a movie I watch around the holidays every year. There's the seat where Clark Griswold gets trapped in the attic and he has to like throw like a billion blankets on himself just to keep. Yes. Yeah. Very much. Wouldn't want to live in that. All right. Last question of the day. This comes from Sam in Portland, Oregon. I'm renting out my backyard tiny house for the first time. Tiny house. Should I throw in free Wi-Fi? If it's a shorter term rental, it might be like, oh, yeah, Wi-Fi, free Wi-Fi included in your stay. If you're staying for like a week or whatever. That makes sense. I think that generally like free Wi-Fi would be very– Not necessarily essential there, but something that a lot of people would look for if they're staying somewhere for a week. I expect it in a short-term rental. If I'm going to a vacation house or a hotel or an Airbnb or whatever, I expect Wi-Fi. But as a renter, I don't. I've always had to pay for my own internet. I always pay for the setup. It's a whole hassle, obviously. If somebody's staying for a short period of time, you don't want to make them do that. But as a long-term renter... you should never expect free Wi-Fi, you know, like in terms of the bills. That's it. That's it for this week's Solicitor Questions. So that was really fun. Patrick, did you have a good time? I had a great time. Great time. Thank you guys all for emailing questions at therentishpod.com. Again, We'd love to hear from you. Email us your questions. You got fun topics, movie. If you want to hear our recommendations for movies you should watch or whatever. Yeah, please give us one of those. Something that's not property management related. We'd just love that. I'm just kidding. All right. That's it for this episode of the Rentish Podcast. Thank you all for listening and supporting the show as always. Patrick, I hope you have a great rest of your day, man. Hey, thanks. Right back at you. Yeah, you're hosting trivia tonight. You gonna do good? I am. Am I going to do good? Yeah. That remains to be seen, but I think I've got some fire questions ahead of me. Can you spoil one of them? Yeah. You're not going to be there, are you? No, I can't make it tonight. I'm sorry. All right. Here's a trivia question. Okay. Hit me. On this day in history, 1984, the Sino-British Joint Declaration was signed by Chinese Premier... Zhao Ziyang and British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, which declared that this territory would be transferred from the UK back to China in 1997. Louisiana Purchase. Wow. I don't know. It's Hong Kong. Oh, yeah. Were you going to get that right? Yeah. Oh, nice. Good job, Priester. Yeah, I couldn't think of a more wrong answer than Louisiana Purchase. I just, you know, hey, ha ha ha, we're doing funnies and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. All right. Thanks, everybody, for listening. Have a great day.